The payouts apply to pod kills too. Killing a 1 billion ISK pod pays out 100 mil ISK (so long as the existing bounty is big enough to cover it).

Different, but not better or worse in my opinion.

Of course those suicide gankers will now not be able to enter Highsec for 30 days without being killable by almost everyone around him. So pros and cons really.

Maybe not for alt gankers or semi-permanent nullbears on a holiday, but at least it stops "tourist" suicide ganking, per se.

I never said the killright would be game-changing (nice of you to think you can ridicule me for something you thought I meant), but they will be there and they will affect some people significantly.

All I said was the the killrights were a con to the bounty's pro. Admittedly only if your not using alts, and if your not going to spend the next 30 days in null/low anyway. Even without those two, it is still a restriction. For 30 days, if they enter highsec they can't go anywhere near any trade hubs without dying, simple as that. They've already said the killrights will be obvious, visible and activated by anyone.

You may think my comment was stupid, but only because your too stubborn and stupid to think about it thoroughly.

I said almost exactly that a few posts ago.



That's what you replied.



Above, you just reworded what I said in the original post you laughed at.

You mean like we can't enter high-sec today because we are outlaws?

Good. Bring back the time when losses actually meant something.

-10 ganking alts are not out and about for anyone to use killrights on. They log in at a safe spot, get a ship from an orca, warp to the gank site, do the gank, warp back to the safespot and log out.

When in that sequence are you going to exercise killrights? The few seconds when they are at the gank site? Chances are concord will beat you to it. And you hardly are rendering retribution to the ganker, he is losing his ship to concord in any case. When they reposition for ganking in a different system? They will just use a shuttle or a pod, almost impossible to catch and even if caught a trivial loss. These are low skill alts that can get by on alpha level clones with no implants. This is an issue with the system: a -10 ganking alt is not really punished for doing another gank, they just lose a cheap ship.

I like the idea I saw somewhere. If you kill a ship while flagged criminal, you pay the insurance payout for that ship. And you cannot board a ship with a negative wallet.

You can still play the game. You can log in, warp about, sell assets, chat. But actions should have consequences.

In practice, a -10 ganking alt that gets a negative wallet would just have its wallet pumped back up by the main.

But tell you what? Why won't we do that, and then make it so that if you undock with any cargo in your hold that is worth more than the ship it is in, you are automatically fined that full over-value and this will also bring your wallet into negative. If you dock up with the same cargo, your fine is refunded. After all, actions (such as willingly and unduly putting your ship at risk) should have consequences, right?

no bounty, no matter how large, will make someone a legal target in highsex.

If you attack a defenseless miner, ylou are weak, pathetic, and cannot PVP for crap. Hulkageddon is one of the dumbest ideas anywhere.

Someone please send my wife and kid the memo, I gotta call mom...